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|ID||Project||Category||View Status||Date Submitted||Last Update|
|0001465||Ham Radio Deluxe||Bug||public||2013-12-23 21:44||2018-05-13 15:26|
|Target Version||Fixed in Version||188.8.131.520|
|Summary||0001465: Manual frequency entry requires period between thousands/hundreds|
|Description||When manually entering the frequency in ALE (Add log Entry) or ULE (Update Log|
Entry), a period has to be entered between the thousand's and the hundred's
place. See below examples
21.050.760 is entered as 21.050.760
21.050760 is entered at 21.050.000
Seems that since the frequency is supposed to be MHz, then the second separator
is unnecessary. The software seems to be able to read ADIF formats fine which
have the frequency as <MHz><separator><decimal frequency>
|Steps To Reproduce||Open up ALE or ULE|
Enter a decimal frequency without the separator between the thousand's and the
Click on another field, note that the last three digits are set to zero.
|Additional Information||Reported by n5rb|
Language set to English, location is US
|Tags||No tags attached.|
This is a request to take the manual entry of frequency back to the way it was in 5.0b where one decimal was required and the frequency was entered in MHz.
Requiring users to manually enter 9 or 10 digits, when the least significant ones are normally zero, is a major pain-in-the-ass.
||We do need to fix this. The requirement to enter a frequency in Hz is a pain-in-the-ass. It needs to be MHz.|
Manual frequency entry in the ALE for Logbook (and DM-780) has been messed up since 2012.
This needs to be changed so that frequency entry is in Mhz. Done. Simple.
I'm sorry, but I'm not able to reproduce errant behaviour in the frequency edit control. I'm typing into the "Freq" control in the ALE after turning off the "Track" checkbox for frequency. I'm not connected to a radio (rig control isn't running)
I type "21050760", press TAB to move to the next control, and the control is left with "21.050.760"
I type "14.313593", press TAB, and and the control is left with "14.313.593".
I type "33222", press TAB, the control has "0.033.222"
I enter "455500000", press TAB, the control has "455.500.000"
What am I missing?
Users want to enter the frequency in MHz... rather than Hz. Using your examples, it would work like this:
I type "21.05076", press TAB to move to the next control, and the control is left with "21.050.760"
I type "14.313593", press TAB, and and the control is left with "14.313.593".
I type ".033222", press TAB, the control has "0.033.222"
I enter "455.5", press TAB, the control has "455.500.000" (This is actually the crux of the entire request. Folks operating at 1.2GHz don't wan to type 10 digits... when only 4 are necessary.
I enter "1242", press TAB, the control has "1.242.000.000"
This is another one of those things that was correct at one time... but someone changed it. Users complained.
I can make it work that way. But what should happen if the user enters something invalid, like "21050760"? If they're entering Megahertz, that means they've tried to enter 21,050,760,000,000, or 21.05 terahertz (LOL).
The code looks like someone made a failed attempt to guess at the user's intention, but that didn't work out too well, so the problem is specifying what should really happen. Whatever we choose, I'm sure some users will complain.
The control that enters a frequency is used in at least 10 places in the suite. For example:
1) Open the Logbook
2) Connect to a DX Cluster
3) Press the "Spot" button
4) Set focus to the "Frequency" field
5) Enter "15". Press TAB to leave the field.
Note that the entry is interpreted as 15 Hz and not 15 MHz
6) Set focus to the frequency field again.
7) Enter "14.02". Pres TAB to leave the field.
Note that this is interpreted as 14.020 MHz.
8) Set focus to the frequency field again
9) Enter "18100000". Press TAB to leave the field.
Note that this is interpreted as 18100000 Hz, not 18100000 MHz.
What should the correct behavior be? Should _all_ uses of the control in the suite exhibit the same behaviour?
Attached is a doc with some notes about how the frequency control is used, and some recommendations for a fix.
HRD Frequency Control.docx (19,875 bytes)
Great thoughts in the doc. I’m in favor of the approach.
I wonder... is it possible - if someone enters 14235500000 when they should have entered 14.2355 that a popup could come up saying, “Please enter the frequency in Megahertz”?
People have been asking for this for so long that we don’t hear it much. But it’s a major pain for those who are transcribing paper logs or working without a rig.
I'm sure it's a pain in the butt, but it's also what the program has trained them to do. When we change that requirement, we have to untrain them -- and that's when they'll (rightly!) complain.
If we're willing to accept that consequence to amke things better in the long-run for some short term trouble, then I can code up what was described in the document.
Fixed with this checkin
Note that this fix applies to all uses of the frequency control in the product; about 12 different locations. Those locations are enumerated in the attached document.
||Awesome. Folks are gonna love this. It was a pain to add the frequency in hertz with extra decimals.|
||Closed and waiting on May 2018 release.|
|2013-12-23 21:44||WA9PIE||New Issue|
|2013-12-23 21:44||WA9PIE||Assigned To||=> Support|
|2013-12-24 09:30||WA9PIE||Project||2 - Next Dev List (Holding Area) => @5@|
|2013-12-24 22:12||WA9PIE||Status||assigned => new|
|2014-01-19 21:59||WA9PIE||Note Added: 0000115|
|2014-01-31 08:05||WA9PIE||Release||=> 6.1|
|2014-01-31 08:05||WA9PIE||Module||=> Logbook|
|2014-01-31 08:05||WA9PIE||Sub-Module||=> ALE Window|
|2014-01-31 08:05||WA9PIE||Report Build||=> 184.108.40.206|
|2014-01-31 08:05||WA9PIE||Note Added: 0000235|
|2014-01-31 08:05||WA9PIE||Assigned To||Support =>|
|2014-01-31 08:05||WA9PIE||Status||new => confirmed|
|2014-02-02 11:26||WA9PIE||Description Updated||View Revisions|
|2014-02-02 11:26||WA9PIE||Steps to Reproduce Updated||View Revisions|
|2014-02-02 11:26||WA9PIE||Additional Information Updated||View Revisions|
|2014-02-02 16:40||WA9PIE||View Status||private => public|
|2014-03-26 12:45||WA9PIE||Summary||Manual frequency entry requires period between thousands/hundreds => Bug: Manual frequency entry requires period between thousands/hundreds|
|2015-09-17 13:17||WA9PIE||Category||Logbook => Bug|
|2015-09-17 13:19||WA9PIE||Project||@5@ => 1 - Backlog|
|2015-09-25 18:14||WA9PIE||Fix Build||=> (select)|
|2015-09-25 18:14||WA9PIE||Summary||Bug: Manual frequency entry requires period between thousands/hundreds => Manual frequency entry requires period between thousands/hundreds|
|2017-07-08 21:52||WA9PIE||Note Added: 0003594|
|2017-07-08 21:52||WA9PIE||Project||1 - Backlog => Ham Radio Deluxe|
|2017-07-08 21:52||WA9PIE||Project||Ham Radio Deluxe => 3 - Current Dev List|
|2017-07-08 21:52||WA9PIE||Assigned To||=> K7ZCZ|
|2017-07-08 21:52||WA9PIE||Status||confirmed => assigned|
|2017-07-11 08:17||K7ZCZ||Note Added: 0003621|
|2017-07-11 08:18||K7ZCZ||Assigned To||K7ZCZ => WA9PIE|
|2017-09-18 00:14||WA9PIE||Project||3 - Current Dev List => 2 - Next Dev List (Holding Area)|
|2018-04-25 23:22||WA9PIE||Note Added: 0004889|
|2018-04-26 00:15||WA9PIE||Project||2 - Next Dev List (Holding Area) => 3 - Current Dev List|
|2018-04-26 00:15||WA9PIE||Assigned To||WA9PIE => K7ZCZ|
|2018-04-26 12:31||K7ZCZ||Note Added: 0004901|
|2018-04-26 12:31||K7ZCZ||Assigned To||K7ZCZ => WA9PIE|
|2018-04-26 12:31||K7ZCZ||Status||assigned => feedback|
|2018-04-26 12:33||K7ZCZ||Note Edited: 0004901||View Revisions|
|2018-04-26 19:09||K7ZCZ||File Added: HRD Frequency Control.docx|
|2018-04-26 19:09||K7ZCZ||Note Added: 0004905|
|2018-04-26 23:15||WA9PIE||Note Added: 0004907|
|2018-04-26 23:15||WA9PIE||Assigned To||WA9PIE => K7ZCZ|
|2018-04-27 10:08||K7ZCZ||Note Added: 0004909|
|2018-04-30 23:50||K7ZCZ||Status||feedback => resolved|
|2018-04-30 23:50||K7ZCZ||Resolution||open => fixed|
|2018-04-30 23:50||K7ZCZ||Testing||=> Not Started|
|2018-04-30 23:50||K7ZCZ||Note Added: 0004912|
|2018-05-03 20:10||K7ZCZ||Fixed in Version||=> 220.127.116.117|
|2018-05-12 00:53||WA9PIE||Testing||Not Started => Beta Successful|
|2018-05-12 00:53||WA9PIE||Note Added: 0004995|
|2018-05-12 01:08||WA9PIE||Note Added: 0005009|
|2018-05-12 01:08||WA9PIE||Status||resolved => closed|
|2018-05-13 15:25||WA9PIE||Fixed in Version||18.104.22.1687 => 22.214.171.1240|
|2018-05-13 15:26||WA9PIE||Project||3 - Current Dev List => Ham Radio Deluxe|